Sorry dude, but you're the retard. There's no evidence for a concern about seigniorage and, yes, I am saying that we need to borrow more (temporarily) so we could ease ourselves out of this massive debt crisis.

Its your kind of thinking that makes drug addiction such a massive problem in this country. If addicts would stop quiting cold turkey and joining abstinence-only groups (which DON'T WORK) and instead ween themselves off of their addiction with pharmaceuticals like naltrexone, they would be much more likely to stay sober. War on Drugs: over.

*not_secure_link*www.thecureforalcoholism.com/

 

No the reason you have not heard President Obama threaten to us the 14th Amendment is because he's a constitutional and understands the pitfalls and unconstitutional issues better than most other people in this nation.

President Obama has also said he is intent on making congress do their jobs.

Bullshit Ace and double bullshit at that. For the first six years of George Bush's term the republicans controlled all three; the house, senate and president.

Bush did nothing for the democrats except beat them into submission.

President Bush bent over backwards to help his wealthy friends and bent over frontwards to sell our economic asses to China.

The democrats had nothing to do with that.

And yes Ace by political definition, the platform he ran on, and the majority of people who voted for him are all conservatives. And you can't kick Bush out of the conservative club just because he so clearly and disastrously proved the lie of conservative as it is preached and practiced in this nation.

But the conservative right are the biggest liars and hypocrites in the world Ace and they have been for more than 30 years.

It happens every time the conservative/Republicans get in power. All they really do is increase deficits, cater to the richest 5%, allow one or more segments of the economy, and then run to the government to get bailed out.

Its the most obvious con game in the world and you're a fool for believing what they say when they actually do the opposite right before your very eyes.

 

What the fuck are you even talking about?

First of all, drug addiction? I smoke weed you stupid mother fucker, naltrexone? Great, let me guess, your some loser ass psych major who went to community college and thinks he knows something about medicine. Typical liberal, always thinking a pill is a cure to the problems.

And borrow more money? And do what with it exactly? Spend it? Spending money does not generate revenue dipshit, so that will not fix the problem.

So basically you have no idea what your talking about, yet you continue to talk, which is the main problem with our society today. So please, stick a dick in your mouth, and shut the fuck up.

 

But then you also have to be hypocritical enough to pretend you actually believe the lie of conservatism.

What the conservatives say is not what they do Ace. Any fool ought to be able to see that.

And here's the lie of conservatism and hypocrisy right here in glaring form.

Because what you're saying is the $5 TRILLION Bush added to the deficit doesn't count. That's Ok. Its all just that bad "liberal Obama."

And the CBO and most economists disagree with you on the effectiveness and success of the Stimulus Package. They say it did save and create more than 2 million jobs. I can point in every direction from where I live and see badly needed infrastructure repairs and improvements that are going to last for 30 years.

I also pointed out to tenguy all the things President Obama and the Democrats did for working people like me and especially young hard working Americans. COBRA subsidy saved me more than 20,000. Extended unemployment benefits helped me and millions of others survive. People got new cars and even houses.

Now what did we get for the $5 Trillion George Bush spent?

We got the collapse of our economy and financial sector which took more than $16 billion in loans and nearly $2 Trillion from US Taxpayers to avoid global financial collapse. And all of it caused by the same 5% of wealthy people Bush cut taxes for.

We got the Great Recession and a 9.2 Unemployment rate and a $14+ deficit.

Well anyone who would believe the lie of conservatism as it is preached and practiced would believe that the conservative/Republican/Tea Baggers in congress are fighting the good fight.

But some polls now say that more than 70% of Americans disagree with them and you.

You've got a lot of Tea Baggers in the House because the unemployment rate was 8+% and the Tea Baggers stood there and lied and said they were running on it and claiming they could do what they said President Obama and the democrats failed to do which is create jobs.

But since they got elected the unemployment rate is going back up past 9.2% because instead of doing anything to create jobs all they did was thump their bibles, and kill jobs over the uncertainty of the debt ceiling crisis they have artificially created.

 

fuck you, you country-ass, hillbilly, cousin-fucking, motherfucker who doesn't understand the use of analogy....

 

No, I'm pretty sure its not only the case today the case is actually much worse than you are letting on. When 70% of the nation disapproves of the way the conservative/Republican/Tea Baggers are handling the debt ceiling crisis they artificially invented that's significant.

And here's a little something on President Obama I think you should consider.

*not_secure_link*www.csmonitor.com/.../Gallup-chief-puzzled-by-Obama-s-poll-numbers

There are no true conservatives Ace. If for no other reason when some conservative fucks up who ever it was wasn't a "true conservative" according to people like you and tenguy.

But let me see if I can illustrate that. You say the conservative/Republican/Tea Baggers in congress doubled the national debt instead of proposing and passing a Balanced Budget Amendment when they controlled the Presidency and both houses of congress because there were not that many "true conservatives" in congress then.

I say that's bullshit but just for the sake of argument suppose you name the "true conservatives" in congress now? I'd really like to see who you consider "true conservatives" Ace.

The people that invented and funded the Tea Party sure existed when the Bush Tax cuts made us start borrowing money to pay for them. And that would be a Fox News invention funded by people like the Koch brothers to manipulate gullible fools like you Ace.

And some of those in congress that say they belong to the Tea Party now were also there to vote on some of those seven debt ceiling increases President Bush received with not trouble at all out of those same conservative/Republican/Tea Baggers.

 

Name them Ace. Tell me what you think are the skeleton's in the left's closet because I sure can't think of any that amount the waste and fraud we've seen when conservative/Republican/Tea Baggers are in control of the government.

They hypocritical right are so against taxes they actually gave tax cuts for the wealthiest 5% of this nation, and started borrowing money to pay for those tax cuts more than ten years ago.

There's your true conservatives Ace. Protect the rich and corporate welfare even if you have to double the national debt to do it. And then run to the US government and US taxpayers for a government bailout.

Ace since at least the 1940's the United States of America has become the richest, most productive, and certainly most powerful nation on the face of the earth.

That's the opposite of destroying Ace and I can't believe you think the US never amounted to anything and is destroyed now instead of still being all of the above.

I would like to co-sign this if that's OK with you?

 

As Senate Kills ‘Cut, Cap, And Balance,’ Boehner Says: Amend It, Send It Back

*not_secure_link*tpmdc.talkingpoint...ells-senate-amend-it-send-it-back.php?ref=fpb


So much for the phony ducking and diving on the part of the conservative/Republican/Tea Baggers.


Now what are they going to actually do? Pass the debt ceiling that's what.

 

Aww cry more for me because you have no idea what the fuck your talking about and I proved you wrong.


You can call me country all you want, guess that just means I can tote guns and drink beer while pussies like you sit there and watch and whisper comments because your toot scared to say it to someones face.

YIPPY KAYEEE MOTHER FUCKER!!!

 

Hey Ace Have You Seen These Polls?

Generic Ballot Has Good News For Dems and God

*not_secure_link*crooksandliars.com/karoli/generic-ballot-has-good-news-dems-and-god

 

um, YOU don't know what you're fucking talking about, scumbag. You say you invest in the stock market? LOL. You're so full of shit. You have any idea what would happen to equities in the event of federal spending freeze tied to an un-raised debt ceiling? Go fuck yourself.

Where have you proved me wrong? You just prove that you're a delusional faggot...

 

:excited:

 

When Nancy Pelosi Speaks ............

............. its probably what's going to happen.

Pelosi Outlines Revenue-Free Path Forward On Debt Limit Fight

*not_secure_link*tpmdc.talkingpoint...-path-forward-on-debt-limit-fight.php?ref=fpb

That puts the political hot potato right back into the conservative/Republican/Tea Bagger's laps and shows just how cooperative and willing to compromise the democrats are.

And while Boehner can't deliver the votes on his side Pelosi has proven several times she can and has.

 

So you like the odds that a disaster is on the horizon? Personally, I think a deal will be struck at the eleventh hour.

And is your reputation worth anything?

 

Ahem, origen, you are too young for a heart attack, calm down it ain't worth it.

 

I'm pretty sure you quoted what the deal is going to be when you miss addressed the quote to me.

I sure don't see him getting overly excited tenguy. I think he's just pegged what's going on and who's going to pay the political points for it.

And they already are.:excited:

 

Ahem, origen, you are too young for a heart attack, calm down it ain't worth it. (Thanks Stumbles, for pointing out that the wrong quote was linked)

 

I know it tends to upset and in some cases induce hysteria if we try to interject some reality and facts into one of these discussions, but its actually for their own good even if they are too brainwashed to know it.

And the reality is that what the conservative/Republican/Tea Baggers are really fighting against is something they have absolutely no control over but will inflict serious harm on if they don't face the reality. And that is they are actually fighting the results and costs of an aging population.

From Gray to Red

Why the aging of America is the real enemy of the Republican drive to cap federal spending

*not_secure_link*www.nationaljourna...gop-cap-in-spending-an-aging-america-20110721

 

Hey Ace If It Was A Good Idea ..........

............ for the conservative/Republican/Tea Baggers in congress to bow to the mighty Tea Party wouldn't you guys be holding more events and rallies and things instead of less? I mean if you're really all that powerful and stuff.

REPORT: Number Of Tea Party Events Down More Than 50 Percent In 2011


*not_secure_link*thinkprogress.org/politics/2011/07/22/273766/tea-party-events-declining/

 

Please stay focused on them, it helps the cause.